It got to a point where a gang called the Fordham Baldieswho were like the biggest Italian gang in the Bronxheard about us and came down and made us a brother club. On any given weekend night, as you reached the 'balcony', you started the Ducky 'whistle'. The problem with that was, if you snatched one of their hats in the wrong neighborhood, youd have a hell of a chase. Jumping back in Giampettruzzis Cadillac, the five Red Wings headed back to Orchard Beach. We used to make choppers with four- and six-polesextensions, you know? It looked like an epidemic had destroyed the place. The year is 1963 but their experiences are universal: falling in love, surviving in school and defending their turf against rivals like the Fordham Baldies, the Del Bombers and the Ducky Boys. We had fun. It went right through his forearm. Everything started out with sweaters. We did most of our dirty business on the railroad tracks, so we got the name The Railroad Boys. We had nobody left, so we said, Whats the use in fighting? We got to the point where we got older, we had girlfriends, we started getting cars, and we left the neighborhood. This time it was a Red Wings invasion. that Farmer was a member of a rival gang called "The Jesters" (It's not known whether or not Farmer was a gang member thougheven to this day). They gave you your JD card, which means juvenile delinquent, so that was the label you carried, you know what I mean? I mean, I could have been arrested for date rape a million times. It was about territory. They made us have a big meeting in Junior High School 73. So every day somebody else would wear the jackets at school. In the 1960s, among students citywide, truancy increased and socializing gained priority, whereby other high schools often issued diplomas once their requirements were met via Roosevelt's evening and summer . The official athletics website for the Fordham University Rams Id get up, go to my friends house at eight in the morning, and knock on his door. 42nd Street was like a neutral area, unless you ran into clubs from different boroughs. If you remember the scene where they tied a rope to the penises of two guys on a bridge and threw a cinder block over the side down to the a river, that was the Bronx River near French Charlie's baseball field. At our peak, we were only about 100 strong, but the Dirty Ones had chapters in Bay Ridge and the Bronx. Mostly we drank wine. At that point, all everybody wanted to do was sell drugs. But you can find where it was filmed on this list. Facebook gives people the power to share and makes the world more open and connected. After a while, if he called the police, then we would be angry at him. The Micheal Farmer killing was an incident that happened during the showing of West Did it help? He must have had a vest, cause let me tell you, this guy had fucking balls. Third, some more trivia. Looking to gather allies to their fight as the Del-Bombers have bigger numbers, The Wanderers get rejected (humiliatingly) by the Fordham Baldies and by the Chinese Wongs. The fordam baldies aka belmont baldies aka baldie mob shaved their heads as far back as the 1940's and hung out at a candy store on belmont between 189th and fordham. I always used to buy magazines just to check out the bikes. He got killed a few years later. That was when the neighborhood was mostly German, Irish, and Italian. I heard that he was like that because his mother was killed. Later on we had a clubhouse where wed hang out all the time. One time, something had happened so I went looking for this guy to get him. Chemistry Faculty. Corona Queens - Best Italian Ice in New york City. Both Frank and Vincent were packing fully loaded automatic pistols. And then when youre like 13 or 14, you start to hang out a little bit and the older guys start to notice you and start to talk to you and before you knew it youd been groomed into what they were. The bullets were just whizzing by my ear. Our turf was Lee Avenue and Lynch Street. Film Details Also Known As Wanderers MPAA Rating R Genre Adaptation Comedy Drama Period Release Date 1979 Distribution Company KINO LORBER/ORION PICTURES Technical Specs Duration 1h 53m Sound Stereo Color Color (Technicolor) Theatrical Aspect Ratio 1.66 : 1 And then he died. The ending was tragic and if one were keeping score on such a grim topic, the Red Wings came out on top. They were like, Oh, its not bad. I was first in a gang when I lived in East Harlem. It also made us brother clubs with the Redwings, who were in East Harlem. I was with him for 24 years, so I was a real part of it. They wear leather jackets with a skull on the back and "FB" (Fordham Baldies) on the arm. You dont fly your colors in my hood unless youre in one of my brother clubs. But thats the way they did it in those days. This was found to be a nice touch in the Wanderers movie, but in reality, the Fordham Baldies were named for the Bald Eagle and had the Duck's Ass or "D.A." hairstyle later made famous by Fonzie from Happy Days. I used to walk around with a gun every day. areas at 8 PM. If you drank that, it was like forget about it. It became, This is where were selling drugs. People were having shootouts left and right. Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.32.229.106 (talk) 11:31, 7 September 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]. Side Story. They were knife-happy. The guys in the restaurants were cool with us, and in return, we took care of them. They had me in the bullpen with him when the witnesses came. If you made someone look bad, theyd wanna retaliate. When they got back to East Harlem, they dropped off Hall, Bella and DePetris, but picked up two new Red Wings, Frank Ciappetta and Vincent Gugliemelli. Lots of guys were fucking up, but all I wanted was to have our club, and for everybody to have bikes and go places together and ride. Me and another Unknown Biker were convicted for it. Over the course of one or two summers, they outnumbered us. Not every club was friendly. I lived down the block from an armory, and there was a sergeant who would come every morning and buy seven bags of dope. Tvoz | talk 06:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply], I agree with and understand all the changes. We were never really into robbing people. Our drug of choice then was heroin. I was always aware. Or wed buy a 40-ounce bottle of Budweiser, a quart of Ballantine, sit up on the hill and drink that. Eventually, if you hung out in that neighborhood you tried pills or pot, or whatever other crap came into town. I was too young to know much about them, except that everyone was afraid of them. If he was alone, he got his ass kicked. Then you tie the hammer up with rubber bands, pull it back, and let it go. But yeah, I broke into every factory. The apartments were filled with rats and roaches, we had no heat or hot water half the time, pipes were falling down, ceilings were leaking. Every time he came by the block there was a shootout, so everybody was always aware when he was passing by. Houston Street down to Canal, and Bowery over to Lafayette. You lived in one building, and the buildings to your left and right were abandoned, because they were gutted out by fires. So our style of dress and everything was like them. When this second son was born, Ernests widow moved to California leaving everyone and everything behind. I never wore Property of. In the gang, the girls used to have to wear Property of on their jackets. Was a wild time growing up, some bad, some good, but many learning experiences came from those times. "Gang Slang" By PHILIP BENJAMIN New York Times (1857-Current file); Oct 20, 1957; pg. I lived in abandoned buildings with them. At school, a high school teacher accidentally sparks a race riot between the Italian gang the Wanderers and the Black gang the Del-Bombers. The Baldies, who outnumbered the Red Wings eventually chased them off the beach. In the summer we were always out there, like 15 or 20 of us, sitting on the steps in summer, drinking beer, and bullshitting. They talked about it, shook hands, and then we were brother clubs. (2) Police busted up a rumble between two (South) Bronx gangs. Colors are more respected than your whole family. I was satisfied with sniffing. Often it was handled one on? The Hunts Point area is the poorest place you can be. NYC Youth Gangs - 1950s. Thats all I ever wanted to do. Indeed, I started this at someone else's suggestion, with the understanding that s/he would pick up from there. We used to wrap the gun up with a lot of tape, because those things had a tendency to blow up in your hands. We came into a lot of weapons at an early time. Finally the Youth Squadthe special police squad they set up just to deal with the gang problemgot involved. We sold it right on the street. I could make up to $20. The RailRoad Boys, East New York/Bedford-Stuyvesant, Brooklyn. Then they got out of the cars a second time and the guy ran away and Frankie ran after him. This let anyone down in the park know you were coming. So the guys said, If you dont do it, were gonna strip you. And thats where the war began. I think snuff is much worse than cocaine. When they started with the knives, we started with the zip guns. It was a mixed group, Italians, Blacks and Irish boys who had grown up together. All those clubs that were fighting back then hang out together now. They gave my brother a summons, and I stood in jail for a decade and change. People from the neighborhood never called the cops on us because we were never troublemakers. Well, I once carved a marzipan voodoo effigy of The Fonz after smoking some Bolivian prayer hash at Sammy Davis Jr.'s house. One summer, we got into it with the Spanish gang. At that time you could buy the Robitussin AC, with codeine. From the sweaters we went to a shirt, and from the shirt we finally got to patches. Astoria. I dont want to glorify it, because for todays youth theres nothing to glorify in gangs, but back then it was what we did to survive. We had the apartment on the first floor and even the old guys from the neighborhood would come in and play cards and dominoes. You have every type of person in every club. Farmer was a polio stricken kid who was attacked by a gang called: "The When I lived in the Bronx, prior to 1953 - there was a gang called the Fordham Daggers. You get high. Wrong place, wrong time. There are 41 of them, and each member is a serious brawler. You could also take a chimney apartgrab a couple bricks and throw those. When I was in Spanish Harlem, the guys in gangs wore silk jackets with their name on the front and the club name on the back. This was 1960 through 1962. He was so fuckin mad he didnt pay attention, and the guy went around the corner and when Frankie came after him, he was waiting, and hit him with a two-by-fourwhamright across the head. He got hit in the head with a two-by-four, and it numbed him. Little Italy was strictly Italian. You go to parties and see a lot of the same faces. The guys and I would go and take it and strip the parts off and hed get his insurance. Then wed be getting high all night till the sun came up, going to the beach, listening to music. THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF FORDHAM UNIVERSITY ATHLETICS Main Navigation Menu. We would let him go because he was with his girl. And I think using full years instead of century description is better. And sometimes it didnt. We had a gang that started in high school. Id be there for a few hours. After a few of them you could do anything. A Retired member described the Duckies, a gang featured in the Movie "The Wanderer": "The Ducky Gang (not just boys) lol. My childrens fatherwe had five children togetherhe and I slept in abandoned cars and buildings, what we called clubhouses. Puerto Ricans were moving into East Harlem at greater rates as the 1950s progressed. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Bronx_gangs_(1950s1960s)&oldid=1101692437, This redirect does not require a rating on the project's, This page was last edited on 1 August 2022, at 09:49. Now were going to wear these denim jackets with patches on them. And then all of a sudden, youd find yourself claiming a piece of Brooklyn as your fuckin real estate. Search . We went up there and basically we started hanging out and we became the Railroad Boys. Their gang was the Comanchero Chaplains. It happened on a fateful late spring day in 1954. During this time, both began to listen to rock and roll and go to dances on Friday Night. When I stepped off the train, I saw all these abandoned buildings, and every night there were the sirens of the fire trucks, and people being displaced, crying, no place to go. The ones that didnt go in are the ones that died along the way. We didnt even have to do anything. I lost my virginity at like 14. All except the sadistic Ducky Boys who seem to suddenly materialize at the opportune moment, are more like social clubs and do little besides partying and hanging out. I was from one side of the Southside, and the Unknowns were from the other side. One of my friends who I wanted to get high with said, You wanna get high, you gotta watch this. And he shot up and he said, Im doing this so you can see what I do, and I said, I dont want nothing to do with that. And I never did it. Its cheaper than coke, and you get whacked on it. Even today, in 2012, the Fordham Baldies still bring memories to many people I have talked to. Most were dressed in the 'uniform If you looked down the hill toward Evergreen Avenue, there was a schoolyard, and thats where all the black kids used to hang out. I added a stub to stave off the CSD folks - the article does need fleshing out, but as a stub you should be given some time to do so. The balcony on 204th and the 'tunnels', and the whole area surrounding Twin Lakes was our turf! Wed hang out in the park at night. Girls drank free. At the same time, Henry remembers . Its much harsher than coke. Like if we were walking down the street and we saw one of the Spanish guys with his girlfriend, we wouldnt beat him up. There would be a fight set up, and we told you to be there at seven oclock. There were a bunch of white gangs fighting each other. We were like, Nah, dont fuck with them. They didnt have to worry about getting robbed or nothing on the block. Fourth, sources.I will be doing some more research and adding much more information. THE 5TH (EAST,TREMONT AND MAPES AVE.) area in the 1970's: THE BLACK SPADES, PEACE MAKERS, HARLEM TURKS, 7 IMMORTALS, P.O.W.E.R. I didnt do that. Consider: Bronx gangs (mid-20th century) or something like Bronx gangs (1940s-1960s). The quarterback of the Lynvettes, Thomas "Tommy" Wall, a Woodsider and former Chief QB said about the Chiefs "in the off season we were a gang." I removed the references to Brooklyn gangs in popular culture - does not make any sense to have them there - this article is not about Brooklyn. Basically the territory was divided by the Bronx River that ran through the park. Me and him got along because there was no competition and we really loved each other. Also, we used to have a lot of gay guys come around and theyd get us a couple pills, some marijuana, and bullets for our zip guns. He suffers from asthma. They cornered him, stabbed him three times, and shot him in the ass. We had like one pistol, and that was for everybody, because every now and then you had a confrontation that would require it. We also used the 'whistle' as an all clear after the cops had given up chasing us around and it was safe to come back out. The father ended up getting most of them back after people started getting arrested with them, because he came home and reported them stolen. Some Red Wings attended near-by Benjamin Franklin High School. All the gangs recognized and even esteemed one another showing respect. Next thing you knew, youd be fighting. Me and a couple friends of mine went to a hooker. 90K views 13 years ago Gang turf of the Corona Dukes, Arthur Avenue Boys, and the Fordham Baldies. One of the Red Wings yelled out, Are you the Fordham Baldies? At hearing this, Bernard, Angelo and Ernest approached the vehicle, standing about seven feet from the curb. Giampetruzzi, Bonano, Santanielli and the rest of the Red Wings high tailed it out of the Bronx back to East Harlem, seething over the insults and plotting revenge. Their leader is Terror, a 6'6", 400-pound monster of a man. That freaked me out. Set in the Bronx in 1963, the film follows a gang of Italian-American teenagers known as the Wanderers and their ongoing power struggles with rival gangs such as the Baldies and the Wongs. They werent pussies. The landlord wasnt going to come and tell us we couldnt do itwed kick his fuckin ass. Pichon, President of the original Latin Kings of Highbridge Park, '63, currently living in the West Coast. I got arrested October 1980, came home December 1993. Our program is free and empowers youth to champion mental health advocacy and awareness with their peers. Thats when we started realizing that we had lost the numbers. Thats the bottom line. Chair (JMH 642) Bionanotechnology, Biochemistry, and Nanomedicine. You come running through the building with the cops after you and you could run into any door. Me and my brother are probably the only ones that dont have a bike. Someone please remove this, its a rap music term. We would hang out in these abandoned buildings that we had electricity running into. All these people laying down on cots and shit, with these pipes, and one guy tending them. Before the pill, you mostly just had blowjobs. Im 50 now, and I havent been back. I doubt anyone walking down the street knew that in 1954 Ernest was killed and Bernard and Angelo were severely injured in a gang war. Youre walking down the street, you see somebody that you dont like, who isnt in your gang. True, that could be any college. A lot of the guys would be with their girlfriends. But there were some of us who had everything a kid could have. Thats the way the neighborhood was. I saw a lot of people get killed and a lot of people go to jail. Sometimes people got hit by cars. Thats where the money was. Ballistics work being done on Piggys Candy Store. The only time I ever went to the hospital was the first time I got shot, because I didnt know what to expect. The Majestics started in the early 70s. She used to be a dispatcher for a car service. So they kept the neighborhood. I gave her two bucks and I came in about two seconds, then went home and jerked off ten times thinking about it. I remember the older guys coming around and passing the word that if any white kid in the neighborhood stole an old ladys pocketbook, they would have their hands and legs broken. Police break up gang rumble in the making on a Saturday night in Because if you were in the wrong place at the wrong time, you took an ass whupping. However, in this case below, the violence was actually with another white gang called the Fordham Baldies. They punctured his lung and he almost died. 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