19 _Goku- 3 yr. ago There is a way, they nuke the universe Zamasu resides in, before he gets the chance to spread, but that's extremely OOC for either of them. As with the anime, he far outclassed any member of the Dragon Team, due to his evolved immortality, and in the end, required Future Zeno to defeat him by erasing the entire timeline. Zamasu Wins both anime and manga. Merged Zamasu should win. The form is also noticeably powerful enough to affect even the present, being visible through a distortion in time in the present and the energy detected by Whis and Beerus far away on their planet. Zamasu was able to fool all of the Gods and concoct a successful scheme to make himself immortal, while Goku Black successfully swapped bodies with Goku before killing him and his family. No, Goku just wanted another senzu because he was out of energy. Jiren Can seal him up, same go for Goku and the angels It's too late once he's infinite. Vegito Blue as of the Black arc. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. 5/28/2021. Dragon Ball Super Anime: Fused Zamasu Low 2-C Upgrade (I Actually Know What I'm Talking About I Swear), Massive Dragon Ball Super Scaling Revision, Dragon Ball Super Anime: Fused Zamasu and the Rival Danger Scale. At least Dragon Ball is popular enough to attract such attention. Jiren can defeat Merged Zamasu for sure but probably not Infinite Zamasu so he will lose. This is a stomp. His only goal in whatever remains of hismind from his previous incarnations seems to be to become one with the entire universe and beyond in order to kill all life forms, mortal and god; andbecome justice itself. I think his fight with Champa threatening to destroy U6 is a better feat for his range. Friezas powerful Golden transformation can go toe-to-toe with Super Saiyan Blue power, but Dragon Ball Supers manga has introduced an even more intimidating echelon of strength. With New Hope in His Heart - Farewell, Trunks, Zamasu's past attempt at switching bodies with Monaka, SEAN SCHEMMEL INTERVIEW PART 2 of 2: LIFE AS GOKU, Career Retrospective, Debunking Myths, + more, Characters with on-screen deaths who remain deceased, Characters who cannot die of natural causes, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information, Infinite Zamasu (Super Saiyan Ros) (Goku Black) and Infinite Zamasu (Super Saiyan Ros) (Future Zamasu) vs. Goku, Infinite Zamasu (Super Saiyan Ros) (Goku Black) and Infinite Zamasu (Super Saiyan Ros) (Future Zamasu) vs. Vegeta (Super Saiyan Blue), Infinite Zamasu (Super Saiyan Ros) vs. Future Zeno, Infinite Zamasu is one of only two forms of Zamasu that does not have. Dragon Ball Super hasn't been easy for Gohan fans, but the newest feature film, Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero, finally gives Gohan the showcase that he deserves. Infinite Zamasu (Dragon Ball Super) vs Time Breaker Zamasu (Dragon Ball Heroes) #1 bob74h Setting/Location: Kaioshin Realm universe 10 Victory Conditions: Death of the opponent Motivation:. I'd imagine the the GP should be able to deal with him somehow as well. Thanks to Kale's special Legendary Super Saiyan form, Kefla is several times stronger than the average fusion. The fact that Shadow called this a stomp with good reasons apparently doesn't matter. For more information, please see our Doubt Angels can do anything to him. Goku wanted another shot at full power as a last stand and not because he thought he could win. In the manga, the saiyans are weaker, and the GoD's Jiren compares to are even stronger. Goku, Vegeta, and Future Trunks unleash a combined Kamehameha, Galick Gun and Final Flash, but it had no effect against Zamasu. Hell, even Goku thought he could handle Infinite Zamasu if he had another senzu bean available Infinite Zamasu required Zen'o himself to get rid of. He didn't think he could take him. Yeah Zamasu's power increase goes fast, and I don't think Jiren is too into timeline nuking. And Jiren could probably win with just glares. This version of Infinite Zamasu was based on the anime version. A Fight Without End: Who Can Topple Jiren? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Jiren one shots Merged Zamasu in a similar way that Trunks did. He then removes the sword from his body before shattering it and transforms himself into Fused Zamasu. Androids have been a persistent threat in Dragon Ball ever since the original series. Goku isn't even a danger to Zeno, so Jiren becomes an even more insignificant presence. . However, he is still able to display signs of intelligence and awareness, as well as fear; when Future Zeno begins to erase him, Infinite Zamasu visibly gasps then screams in horror as he is erased. Idk why they keep making this CRTs rather than talk in private with staff and then organize a staff thread. These two mechanical creations give Gohan and Piccolo a tough time until they ascend to their new transformations. He doesn't have to kill Zamasu, and probably won't even attempt to, so there is no fear of Zamasu going full T-virus and infecting the universe. That version of Zamasu didn't even take on kaio Ken Goku. @frocharocha: When has Jiren cut anything? He killed all the kaioshin which resulted in the death of the GoD and the shutdown of every angel. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. In a gag panel for the manga, one of the many Fused Zamases who make up Infinite Zamasu is shown to have transformed into Monaka, he is alerted to this by one of the other Fused Zamases. It took LB Goku just to get this guy to activate his battle aura. And he's also "Engulfing the universe" implying he's fitting it inside him and isn't collapsing himself. The main purpose of this forum is to discuss how to properly index the statistics of characters from a wide variety of different fictional franchises. Only hax can beat him. You are using an out of date browser. With no restrictions Infinite Zamasu wins, as hes essentially immortal. However, Vegeta, who had been powered up by his fury as a Super Saiyan Blue kicked Goku out of their grasp and firedGamma Burst Flashat the two Fused Zamasu's, blowing them into bits. Both are incredibly skilled martial artists who are able to match Super Saiyan Blue Goku and Vegeta blow for blow and are pragmatic enough to attack their foes from behind and steal their power) | Unknown (Seems to have devolved into a mindless beast bent only on the destruction of mortals, as all he does is cackle madly), Weaknesses: Due to being a fusion of a mortal and immortal being, Fusion Zamasu's immortality is compromised and his regeneration is far slower. I've made my stance on this pretty clear, I think the only difference between IZ and gross Zamasu is higher dimensional existence and immortality via abstract existence. However, Im still not seeing how Infinite Zamasu was that far above Jiren. Jiren The Gray transforms into Burning Ultimate Warrior, has Pure Progress, and wears device. That would explain the increase in power. Infinite Zamasu [2] ( Mugen Zamasu) is the final incarnation of Zamasu and antagonist of the "Future" Trunks Saga. But thanks to the dragon's power, his being remains. One of these beams attacks the group of survivors. @standardized: jiren can't be powerful than two merged gods. > Bumping a thread only 9 minutes after the last answer. Infinite Zamasu also demonstrates similar lucidity in the manga, where he specifically states that he can follow Goku and his friends to their present timeline due to owning his own Time Machine before he and his entire timeline is erased by Future Zeno. yesMusic used :Rapture Discord: https://discord.gg/TMEjVhyaHp#anime #dragonball #vsedit Universe 6's famed assassin Hit is an extremely powerful character who is strong enough to kill most who stand in his way. Goku Black was already superior if not equal to SSJB vegeta and Zamasu himself is a SSj2 tier fighter, if both of them merge together is much stronger than kefla and take into account that the dude is Semi Immortal. Sounds that Zamasu had polluted the fuck out of it. Why couldn't you just listen to us and not make this thread? For more information, please see our Jiren is likely to charge at Zeno and attempt to overwhelm him with brute force. As both Future Zamasu and Goku Black possess the same soul, it appears that this infinite form reflects that. The fusion of Kale and Caulifla, Kefla, is an extremely powerful fused Saiyan fighter from Universe 6. The rest was pretty normal stuff for him. You must log in or register to reply here. Goku didn't stop the entire planet tho, just a small portion of Moro wrestling with him. After Fused Zamasu is defeated, Infinite Zamasu is born and starts assimilating the universes and invades the Time Nest in an attempt to kill the Future Warrior along with the Supreme Kai of Time and Old Kai. Zamasu was considered a prodigy and incredable powerful by his own kind standers but he was . So I dont think lifting strength should factor in. @03s7: Jiren has his own version of hakai, he was about to erase Krillin, Gohan, and 18. Where is that even implied? Anime Zamasu gets railed until he becomes Infinite and then its just kind of incompleteable for Jiren. Gohan Beast seems to be the only one who can defeat Cell MAX, another character who Jiren would likely struggle against. Whether Vados is still stronger than Whis or not remains to be seen, but physical strength is never going to be the deciding factor when someone faces an Angel. Infinite Zamasu is an immortal multiversal being that was even breaking time and space and reaching into a different timeline from the past. It's the beginning of the arc when they ask about him. This is both Infinite Zamasu & Jiren The Gray from both Dragon Ball Super manga & anime before their deaths without any injuries. But I believe it's because he's still really huge on a 4-D scale, with limited 5-D existence. (One of my favorite panels in the manga). In addition, Gowasu implies that Fused Zamasu deliberately cast aside his divine body and gained his Infinite form specifically to ensure he can propagate his insane view of order and justice by merging with the fabric of existence. As I always had problems with people scaling to IZ or above him, I agree. Lucy has that for being a universe. We haven't seen Jiren use all his power so you can't even give an answer atm. It may not display this or other websites correctly. This means that Jiren would still be able to outclass Goku Black by quite a bit. After being blown apart by Vegeta, each piece of the two Fused Zamases regrew into more Fused Zamases. In fact, Infinite Zamasu does not show any awareness of Future Zeno whatsoever until the instant he is about to be erased from existence by him. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Making this scaling wonky, We agree he merged and took out jiren who is suppose to be stronger, If we agree zamasu merged with the universes which is never stated btw. Does Jiren have a chance by nuking the Universe Zamasu spread into? Tier: 2-C, higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification | 2-C, Name: Zamasu (Fusion Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Merged Zamasu), Classification: Shinjin/Saiyan Hybrid, Potara Fusion of Goku Black and Future Zamasu | Abstract Ideas of Justice and Order, Superhuman Physical Characteristics, Master Martial Artist, Acrobatics, Flight, Spaceflight, Accelerated Development (Training; Physical Stats, Abilities), Self-Sustenance (Types 1 and 2), Ki Manipulation (Can be used defensively and offensively, to strengthen his skin or to fire ki blasts, which can home in on targets, form defensive barriers which also can keep out poision and render absorption ineffective, create weapon), Ki Sensing (Can locate others by reading their ki), Enhanced Senses (Should have the senses of the Saiyans), Accelerated Development (Battle, Physical Stats; Becomes stronger from being damaged), Time Travel & Acausality (Type 1; when wearing the Time Ring he is immune to changes in his previous timeline and the ring allows him to travel to the future and back), Regeneration (Mid-Godly; as an immortal, granted by Super Shenron, Whis stated that the Hakai wouldn't kill him, which has been shown to destroy one's body and soul completely, so they cannot resurrect. That's what happens. In Dragon Ball Super, it doesn't get any stronger than the Omni-King, Zeno. It's kind of remarkable that the Tournament of Power views Jiren as the ultimate target to beat, but in the eyes of the Grand Priest, he's merely a warning shot. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1409099#20. Jr. God of destruction Beerus saga/Resurrection of F saga/Universe 6 saga: (except from Xeno, gods and angels) Goku black saga: (except from zeno again and infinite zamasu) Super Saiyan rose Goku black. As the army of Zamases advances toward the Dragon Team, Goku and Vegeta tell Trunks, Mai, Gowasu and Shin to leave. and our While the line is manga only, it matches up with the anime where Whis relies on other methods to deal with immortal Zamasu when he travels to the future with Trunks at the end of the arc. No longer confined by his divine vessel, he may be trying to become part of the very fabric of the cosmos. Re: Jiren vs. Zamasu. However, it stands to reason that Jiren could hold his own against these two thanks to his admirable meditation skills and devastating energy attacks. A Super Saiyan Blue fusion is intensely powerful and it becomes the world's saving grace during Zamasu and Goku Black's calculated reign of terror. Anyone below Super Shenron shouldn't be able to do a thing to him and the angels are most definitely below him. Jiren (DB) - vs - Infinite Zamasu (DB) # 39.5 K Jiren (DB) Infinite Zamasu exists in the entire multiverse and in the past and future, but Jiren is way too powerful. The Miraculous Power of Unyielding Warriors. Jiren easely best Zamasu and imprison him with the device he used in the manga to capture a criminal. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Fusion Zamasu Vegito Vs Gogeta Broly Power Levels. Both the Zenos are fascinating figures who act more like infant children than destructive tyrants. Broly is a Saiyan from Universe 7 who grew up on Planet Vampa after being exiled by King Vegeta long ago. Furthermore, Hit's progression, especially when he fights opponents who are stronger than him, is incredible. Not even a fraction of Whis' full strength has been seen, and it likely never will, but it's still fascinating to consider. When merged Zamasu took over the 12 universes , Beerus just went '' That's unfortunate. #1. Vados doesn't get half the attention that Whis does, yet she's the stronger of the two special siblings. An official fight with the Grand Priest has yet to happen and it likely never will. But like, how? probably zamasu. All that Beerus needs to do is catch Jiren off-guard and he's as good as erased. Loses to 123 jiren. Promotional material doesn't mean anything if it contradicts the story. As of the anime (for Juju Kaisen), Zamasu has better feats and is several times beyond universal (as an understatement) he can just negate Gojou's infinity by being more powerful than him, even if he lets him use his domain expansion. But the bigger the difference in Class is, the more obvious it is who'll win in a fight. Jiren initially arises as the main antagonist of Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power and he stands in the way of Goku and the rest of Universe 7 as they fight for their universe's survival. It seems he's embraced this new ethereal state. Zamasu suddenly reveals that it doesn't matter where they go anymore; he gained a Time Machine of his ownfrom the Supreme Kai of Universe 12 and can now go to any point in time. He most likely didn't even know Zamasu had become a universe. I think Jiren takes this. Jiren blows up the timeline and takes Zamasu along with it. Jiren is stronger but the question is if he can find a way to put Zamasu down permanently. Not moving around. Speed, strength, and unique techniques are useless against someone who can wipe out a universe in a snap. This is presumably a side effect of Zamasu's past attempt at switching bodies with Monaka. In the anime, this being is the surviving will of Fused Zamasu left over from his destruction because of Future Zamasu 's immortality. Unfortunately for Kefla, Jiren is far stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku, who beats Kefla without even being at the top of his game or fully understanding his new strength. As such, there are countless individuals in Dragon Ball who slowly get bested by Jiren in combat. (will prolly look i to this shit into the future). Infinite Zamasu in the anime possesses little to no sanity, as he constantly emits insane laughter and appears to be no longer capable of speech. Well, unlike a planet that is held down by the Sun's gravitational pull, thus eliminating the need for a planet-person to actually lift their weight up, an entire universe does not have that kind of luxury, and he is actively holding the whole thing together, so he would scale, no? Dragon Ball sometimes gets out of hand when it comes to their celestial deities and the powers that they possess, but the Grand Priest is a successful example of less being more. Only hax can beat him. Zamasu loses his body and turns into the universe therefore Zamasu was always capable of such power but just never had the means. JavaScript is disabled. Jiren could double his strength and it still wouldn't make a difference to someone Zeno. So in conclusion since i decided merged zamasu is 40,404,040,000,000 times more powerful then jiren, is immortal, and can travel through time, im pretty sure merged zamasu wins this and if all else fails if jiren takes him out somehow his immortality can turn him into infinite zamasu which required zeno to take out, so i think merged zamasu wins. Jiren has no way for putting him down permanently. non kaioken goku was able to severely damage merged zamasu. My viewpoint is Trunks attacking fusion zamasu = black is gone because he isnt immortal. Zamasu's will[4] is Infinite Zamasu's only form in the anime. You need high level hax to deal with this form of zamasu. 15,693 5,105. Jirens presence has been quite sparse following the climactic events of the Tournament of Power, but hes still righting wrongs in Universe 11 and capable of incredible destruction that can put many Dragon Ball characters to shame. Afafakja 6 mo. No. Tournament of Power saga: (except for Zeno, gods and angels) Vados said Jiren transcended time cause he beat Hits time cage but Zamasu actually showed that by being felt in another timeline. and our Jiren is one of the most powerful characters in the history of Dragon Ball.Jiren initially arises as the main antagonist of Dragon Ball Super's Tournament of Power and he stands in the way of Goku and the rest of Universe 7 as they fight for their universe's survival.. RELATED: 10 Best Villains From The Dragon Ball Movies, Ranked As one of Dragon Ball's strongest characters, Jiren is capable . Bloodlusted. Privacy Policy. Interestingly, the visage of Fused Zamasu that appears is his original, base state, rather than the Super Saiyan Ros form that Fused Zamasu previously had his body destroyed in. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Thats not that insane of a feat compared to shaking the world of Void (which Im sure is a universe simply devoid of anything) by merely flexing his ki while heavily suppressed and being beyond time itself according to Vados Yeah, only Zeno can overwrite the Super Dragon Balls' power and kill him because he's the being with absolute power/authority/whatever in the multiverse. Really bad energy'' but when Jiren powered up Beerus said '' How is it possible for someone to be this strong" I believe he could even kill zamasu because Goku thought if he had a senzu bean he could beat merged infinite zamasu Beerus can't beat Infinite Zamasu. However, Goku then finds the device Zeno gave him, presses the button and, in an instant, Future Zeno appears. Fought and damaged Super Saiyan Blue Vegito[3]), far higher with Gigantification (Became even stronger, albeit at the cost of speed[3]), can possibly ignore conventional durability with his Sickle of Sorrow | Low Multiverse level (As stated by both Gowasu and Beerus, Zamasu, in this state, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order. I am talking about Zamasu's immeasurable lifting strength. Infinite Zamasu appears in a flashback just after Universe 9 got erased and Goku remembered having witnessed the technique by Future Zeno. "Zamasu to Burakku - Fukamaru futari no nazo . And moving around against which force? He has that rating already. ps: if you are like but what about jirens walking through time feat well the thing is just as i said with the infinite feat the dimension might effect results, and its stored up time from hit that is used not the universes time itself meaning its not infinite, and still cant be calculated unless you wanna risk being infinitely off lol :P. Also this is me looking at the anime zamasu mainly because i dont know too much about the manga version to decide. Naturally, Zamasu is significantly stronger, since the fusees in Goku Black/Zamasu are significantly stronger than the Saiyan punks, operating at a much higher level of power (SSR vs SSJ2) - thus . Either Goku overestimating himself, or underestimating IZ because maybe he didn't fully grasp what IZ had become. Merged Zamasu as of his first appearance, except he starts at full power instead of waiting until his face has been kicked in. His body is space time, his energy flow through his body, he can use his ki [which is universe ski, aka the space time's energy]. In the end it took Zeno to take out Infinite Zamasu. JavaScript is disabled. Ok, so to understand how overpowered Infinite Zamasu really was in the manga. Sounds that Zamasu had polluted the fuck out of it. Votes shouldn't be counted. As long as the space-time rift exists the clones will keep regenerating or more will appear, was becoming one with the universe and overriding its law and order, he was even shown to be present in the main timeline, was affecting the present to a certain degree, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Powers and Stats Tier: Low 2-C, higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification | Low 2-C Name: Zamasu (Fusion Zamasu, Fused Zamasu, Merged Zamasu) Gohan didnt stand a chance against Jiren in the Tournament of Power, but Gohan Beast is another story. In the manga, after Future Trunks cuts the half-defused Fused Zamasu in half, Goku Black and Future Zamasu seemed to be defused. You are using an out of date browser. And he's like too strong to contain himself to a single timeline fully, so he's also above baseline. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Similar to how Ego would be Planet level just by being a Planet alone, similar to how Ego would be Planet level just by being a Planet alone, And since ki flows into ones body and is being capeable of getting drawn out, zamasu is using his own ki, I think that getting tiers via being something is really weird, like one time I tried to upgrade Goku to class Y lifting strength because he stopped planet moro's attacks, but I was told that moro only scales to that as the full planet and not his physical stats, so I actually support this CRT, it doesn't make sense why the others scale to zamasu who got a tier via being something but at the same time not scale them to LS or moro or zamasu because hear this, (bold) they got the tier via being something. However, Ultra Ego Vegeta represents a powerful evolution that feeds into the Saiyan's aggressive tendencies. He is using his own ki energy, and we know it is, But, hypothetically speaking, if Zamasu's power really did grow to a. Ugh, this is so tantalizing; it makes me feel like one of them. Anyway, a Jiren shows up on Earth to help Goku and Vegeta. Whis surely can deal with him. he is just too haxed, but i can see jiren beating zamasu. Same threads, same repeated arguments from both sides since how long? Power As one of Dragon Ball's strongest characters, Jiren is capable of besting a God of Destruction, which makes a strong case for why he's one of the strongest mortals to ever grace the multiverse. After his Grotesque form is cut in half, Goku Black and Future Zamasu briefly resurface before turning into a pair of Fused Zamasu. Zamasu aims to destroy all mortals, which he considers to be nothing but sinful vermin. Fusion Zamasu ( , Gattai Zamasu) is a fusion born of the union between Goku Black (Present Zamasu in Goku's body) and Future Zamasu through the Potara earrings. Fused Zamasu is an immortal evil, but Vegito still dominates the fight and the only reason that he doesn't secure the win is that the fusion accidentally wears off. Before he tries to kill them, however, he asks them if they enjoyed "the show" and if they really think that they are above "the gods". Somewhat kept up with Super Saiyan Blue Vegito), lower with Gigantification (Increased his power at the cost of his speed, becoming no longer able to keep up with Super Saiyan Blue Vegito) | Nigh-Omnipresent, would eventually become Omnipresent (Was becoming one with the universe and its space-time), Striking Strength: Low Multiverse level (At least as strong as Infinite Zamasu), higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification | Low Multiverse level, Durability: Low Multiverse level (At least as durable as Infinite Zamasu), higher with Light of Justice, far higher with Gigantification (Tanked a Final Kamehameha from Super Saiyan Blue Vegito) | Low Multiverse level, Range: Standard Melee Range; Extended Melee Range with God Split Cut and Aura Slide. Must be my memory, but I don't remember where it was decided to rate Zamasu's lifting strength at that level. In the end, Goku Black's fiery rage isn't enough to defeat Jiren. While Goku Black was able to overpower Super Saiyan Blue Vegeta, it still turns into a close fight. Zamasu only wiped universe 7's kaio. Just like Whis, Vados is one of Dragon Ball Super's Angel attendants. Dragon Ball Super's manga wisely puts Vegeta on his own path that reflects his own strengths rather than merely imitating Goku's accomplishments. @frocharocha: When has Jiren cut anything? That being said, Super Saiyan Blue Vegito could easily bring down Jiren if this fused fighter figures out some time management skills. Infinite Zamasu makes his debut in Xenoverse 2 in a cinematic cutscene. jiren is stronger than him but can he vaporize him enough so that he doesn't split bodies? A lot of verses are left floundering in the wind (I really need an LOTR expert in, Great Will help me). He was defeated and the Time Rift vanished. That being said, this means that hijacking the universe and becoming a spacetime would only affect his form, whereas his power level would remain exactly the same, Nothing is wrong, only Zamasu's will overflows that allowed him to achieve being a literary 4D being, now Jiren and Goku climb to release energy infinitely greater than Zamas or be linked equal to Bill who sees Zamas as a non-threat. He didn't take out Jiren during this case lol, and that would contradict the ToP statements as Zamasu was never shown to expand his size more than the future universe 7's space-time axis in the process of effecting the present timeline and nothing else. We agree he merged and took out jiren who is suppose to be stronger. Ultra Ego Vegeta actively grows stronger the more damage that he takes, which means that Jiren's massive blows will only amplify Vegeta's power and rage. If somebody finds it, let me know. A feat of great cunning yes but not of power. In the manga, he showed signs of extreme fear and panic the instant he was aware of Future Zeno's presence. Merged zamasu was outclassed the minute jiren was stated to be beyond anything ever faced before (No not suppressed jiren, thats a stupid interpretation) It really all ends with jiren stuck with infinite . Main article: Infinite History Saga In a Time Rift, Dabura's influence caused the ideals of Goku Black and Future Zamasu to leave quite an impression on Future Jiren, who decided to leave his universe and follow them to help carry out the Project Zero Mortals. Jiren is credited as " the mightiest foe in Dragon Ball history " numerous times throughout the airing of the Tournament of Power, and the Wiki currently uses this statement, alongside others, to scale a suppressed Jiren above Infinite Zamasu, making him Low 2-C but not giving him Immeasurable Lifting Strength which has affected the top-tiers of Zeno isn't strictly a fighter, but this is also because most individuals in the multiverse have enough common sense to not challenge this God. it's impossible to do that with 3-A energy because the gap in power required to do so is infinite according to the standards, But really, none of this is proving that Zamasu's ki experienced an infinite growth in size. We have no idea how it works, and probably never will. That involves kinetic, potential, and gravitational binding energy. 5. Seems like people just agreed because "he is a spacetime continuum". You must log in or register to reply here. 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